Jeff, from a completely visceral level, I enjoyed reading that post. It is closer to the level of dialog I was hoping we could have. The reality is we can quote scholars all day long, but not get any closer to knowing what makes the other person tick. Proceeding down the track we were on, I was going to start using atheists to disprove the rationale of your ethic. I knew this would not convince you, but I thought it might be helpful to my Christian readers. While that might have been interesting, and I'm happy to do it if you'd like, I find this level of dialog more helpful. We have written a lot of words but are still far from understanding each other.

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